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ned14
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(3/20/03 3:20:40 pm)
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Hi everyone,
I got pointed here by someone via email who felt I should say
something. Needless to say, I felt quite hurt and angry after some of the nasty
and personal comments made about me which in my view simply show their posters
as immature and unpleasant people. You may say I am young and naive, but I know
an @#%$ when I see one.
I prefer to stick with things more productive, and I hope replies
to this message will be just that. Yes, the article was bolshy, yes it was
designed to provoke discussion. However, some of you seem to have taken that I
said some things I did not:
Point 1: I did not claim to be the fifth or whatever best
programmer in the world. That is clearly impossible as "best" is a
subjective term. I DID say I only knew of four maybe five other programmers who
could properly trounce me, which is true. THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING. If you
want to see a conversation I had with an established leader in the field,
please see www.nedprod.com/Niall_stu...ation.html
Point 2: I have here over forty emails of support saying much the
same as I - the IT market sucks right now, industry is doing nothing to help
itself and its selfishness is hurting everyone. A further addition to this is
just how bewildered newbie contractors are, how little information they have
and while I think contractoruk.com is a wonderful site, its section on first timers
could be better. That's why I undertook to write the article, rather than
complain I decided to do the job myself. If only some of my critics in here
would stop moaning and start doing, the world would be a better place.
Point 3: My virtual diary is a wonderful tool and filter. As soon
as you see someone misquote it in order to further their point, you know
exactly what you're dealing with. With respect to jobs, if an employer goes so
far as to check the web for someone, they'll usually be right-minded enough to
understand that there is a person behind every employee - and after reading the
site, they will be in no doubt of exactly what they're getting - good and bad.
Some of you are obviously scared of such candour, and react by
trying to attack it so you can feel dominant. I feel sorry for you, because
your attacks say far more about you than I.
Point 4: No one in this board knows my programming skill. Those
who have taken the time to look through my GPL and public domain stuff have
some idea, but then they'd never have worked with me.
While my managers would call me difficult, I do work successfully
in a team and indeed often have led within a team due to my ability to see big
pictures well. People I have worked with in the past support this so I'm quite
sure it's true.
If you search google groups for my name, you'll get plenty of my
old work on Acorns. Please inform yourself before showing your cruelty and
ignorance in future.
If Bryan permits, I should like to continue with a second and
third parts to my story. Of course, this is dependant on getting a contract,
but thankfully some contractors have been very helpful in running through my CV
and pointing out things which they feel don't work. My thanks to them for their
continued and constructive efforts.
If anyone makes a constructive point (including negative ones),
I'll reply. I'll ignore anything attacking me personally.
Cheers,
Niall
SupremeSpod
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We may say, you're a dreamer.
Also, have you considered pschiatric help with regards to your
inability to differentiate between Women and Computers?
Also, mentioning that you take drugs on a website that mentions
you by name and background is not conducive to long term career prospects.
Spod - In "Ever Helpful" mode!
p.s.
I am checking your rep out at Hull Uni as we speak!
FLEETWOOD1975
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Niall,
I did Modern languages at Uni and cross-trained to computers on a
20-week crash course 13 years ago. I don't have a web-site, but I do have a
life and a well-paid contract, two things you'll never have.
Love,
Fleetwood
NamesFacesPlaces
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Niall, good to see you here to answer points.
Congratulations on your very successful article, which I believe
is one of the most successful articles ever on this site.
What happened to the other articles in the series about the
Emerging Threats to UK IT that you were going to do for NamesFacesPlaces?
Rediscover Old Workmates at NamesFacesPlaces
SupremeSpod
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Thanks for your thoughtful note. Unfortunately I disagree with
most of your suggestions (see below for details). But I don't way my
disagreements to detract from my appreciation that you took the time to write
in the first place.
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Spod - In "Thanks for writing" mode!
MarillionFan
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ROFL!
Joke Over.
AlexMSmith
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pikey
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What happened to the other articles in the series about the
Emerging Threats to UK IT that you were going to do for NamesFacesPlaces?
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You nicked the first one, put your name on it and then sold it to
ContractorUK as your own. Then denied ever knowing Niall when you came on here
to join in the fun of slagging the poor guy off
Not surprising Niall thought twice about sending you another one.
NamesFacesPlaces
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You seem to know a lot about it Alex. I sent it on to CUK as a
NamesFacesPlaces article rather than a personal one, which it was. Even Niall
says that it was done in conjunction with our site.
We received no payment for it. It's strange that you should say
that we did, as you are in no position to know anything about it.
Niall said that he wanted publicity for the software patents
problem and we got it for him. Are you saying that it was personal publicity
that he wanted?
From memory, I think that he wrote to me and I corrected it,
making sure his name was in the article.
Why are you getting so excited Alex?
Rediscover Old Workmates at NamesFacesPlaces
SupremeSpod
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biggest insult...
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...a C++ programmer can ever be subjected to:-
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Sorry, but I would strongly recommend against the above. That's
just not the C++ way of doing things. To be honest, it makes you sound like
you're a Java programmer who has learned C++ syntax but still hasn't mastered
C++ idioms.
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ha, ha, and thrice ha
Spod - In "You young whipper snapper" mode!
mooZENDog
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"You nicked the first one, put your name on it and then sold
it to ContractorUK as your own. Then denied ever knowing Niall when you came on
here to join in the fun of slagging the poor guy off".
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I think NFP has actually been quite reasonable in this discussion.
Having read the thread it seems like it's pretty much MarillionFan and
SuperSpod (do you guys spend your lives on here? <looks at # of posts />
Oh, silly question!) who have regressed to infants.
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Come on, let Niall make his points and if you don't agree, offer
some contructive criticism - we'll just remove posts which are offensive. Is it
any wonder many first timers feel reluctant to use this board when they get
flamed!
Thanks
Contractor UK - The IT Contractor Portal
mooZENDog
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(3/20/03 4:02:33 pm)
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Well said. Looking up out-of-context quotes to personally attack
people are the actions of a child. The fact that it takes a moderator to tell
you that enough is enough is very telling.
FLEETWOOD1975
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Is it any wonder many first timers feel reluctant to use this
board when they get flamed!
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He is a first-timer, yet
acts like a guy with twenty years experience, that's why he got shot down.
You deleted one of my posts, as well.
and a thread
Edited by: FLEETWOOD1975
at: 3/20/03 4:05:14 pm
MarillionFan
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"Having read the thread it seems like it's pretty much
MarillionFan and SuperSpod (do you guys spend your lives on here? <looks at
# of posts /> Oh, silly question!) who have regressed to infants. "
Thank you. I aim to please.
JOKE OVER!
PS : By the way Nial. Add a few more dummy accounts while your at
it.
Edited by: MarillionFan
at: 3/20/03 4:05:05 pm
NamesFacesPlaces
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I think that it is perfectly acceptable for contractors on this
board to criticise articles that they disagree with - especially if they have
much more experience than the person writing the article.
I would say though, that the majority of the people on this board
are experienced contractors, and there has been one or two instances recently
of new contractors asking advice here, and getting slagged off when they asked
for it.
Perhaps new contractors are a little afraid to put their heads
above the parapet here.
Rediscover Old Workmates at NamesFacesPlaces
Paving
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Here here. At least the guy's got the balls to come on the board
and start a thread - why post infantile and offensive responses (since removed
I see)? Shouldn't need a moderator to come and tell you that!
MarillionFan
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"Perhaps new contractors are a little afraid to put their
heads above the parapet here. "
There is a whole world of difference between sticking your head
above a parapet and asking a normal question and Nial .
Normal newbie threads are answered in normal fashion and do not
get flamed (apart from by Milan who has been warned). They then join in the
banter.
The difference here is that his approach was to jump up on the
parapet wall drop your pants, stick your fingers in his ears, and shout 'Im a
freaking genius, I'm a freaking genius'.
The conclusion of these actions are crystal clear.
BladeX45
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Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me. Well done for standing up
to be counted Niall.
NamesFacesPlaces
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I know what you're saying MarillionMan, but it is interesting to
note that a few first timers have appeared today and yesterday, and they've
been pretty much unanimous in favour of Niall. Perhaps the prevailing culture
made them a little reticent to join before and take part.
It's good to see a few more members.
I'll bet, also, that the second part of Niall's article will be
very well read when published.
Rediscover Old Workmates at NamesFacesPlaces
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at: 3/20/03 4:31:16 pm
SupremeSpod
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How many of these newbies have the same IP address?
Spod - In "I R Genius" mode!
MarillionFan
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"I know what you're saying MarillionFan, but it is
interesting to note that a few first timers have appeared today and yesterday,
and they've been pretty much unanimous in favour of Niall. Perhaps the
prevailing culture made them a little reticent to join before and take part."
What a load of bollocks. It's most likely the same person.
There is no way in a million years that a newbie is going to join
the site to say 'Thats what I was thinking', when the majority think what a
tosser.
If I see another.
NEWBLOKE
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Posts 1.
'What a clever and informative article that was'
I will spit.
PS : Spod. We have got to stop posting after each other. MF in
'People will talk' Mode.
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TinTin
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Maybe we should ease off, I for one disagree about attacks based on one's personality and character. Everyone is different and should not be judged by what others think is normal and acceptable.
My issue with Niall is the reasoning behind his decision to go contracting, ie. I need 100 grand, can't get them from elsewhere, so I'll go and jump on the bandwagon. Only he is about 3 years late and he didn't seem to know. Not a well thought out business plan so to speak.
Otherwise, my sympathy goes to him as a fellow out of work contractor (OK, contractor to be).
Edited by: TinTin at: 3/20/03 4:55:21 pm
NamesFacesPlaces
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Ned14 (Niall Douglas),
Are you Moozendog and BladeX too?
Moderator, can you tell us whether they have the same IP address or not?
Rediscover Old Workmates at NamesFacesPlaces
mooZENDog
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By the way Nial. Add a few more dummy accounts while your at it.
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YOUR english is terrible BTW
It's not a dummy account though, I exist in my own right. I'd send an URL or my IP but would rather avoid the abuse thank you. Regarding the article...
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Normal newbie threads are answered in normal fashion and do not get flamed (apart from by Milan who has been warned). They then join in the banter.
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Oh, I see now. So are you going to point me in the direction of this usage guide you've written then? Hmm... sounds like you know it all really.
If we were posting to alt.2600 then I could imagine such condescending replies such as yours and that SuperSpod fellow. As it is, this is supposed to be a slightly more serious newsgroup, and I feel sorry that n00bs are subjected to this.
Fair enough, there were some slightly offtopic statements in the article. I don't know if you'd noticed, but Niall has tried to set a few things straight at the start of this article, none of which have even been acknowledged by yourselves. Fair enough, a little teasing may have been in order, but you've gone well over the top on this one!
I would have thought that veteran members would be slightly more considerate. In fact, on most of the newsgroups I've been on, the ops and veterans are generally good to n00bs. This place seems to be filled with playground bullies though - doesn't come up smelling of roses, know what I mean?
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Yep I'm definitely real too thanks for asking!
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FFS how can you get bullied on a bulletin board?
Just stand up man and give them as good as you get.
ned14
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Not sure how to quote, so ...
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Niall, good to see you here to answer points.
Congratulations on your very successful article, which I believe is one of the most successful articles ever on this site.
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Yeah I know, my email box is bulging with emails of support. I guess there are loads of good engineers out there who are attracted to contracting but don't know where to start.
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What happened to the other articles in the series about the Emerging Threats to UK IT that you were going to do for NamesFacesPlaces?
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Well, you stopped asking for them! Plus events overtook me, of that series the last two were the most important and while I often sat down to write them, I never hammered at it till they were. There was, as always, some little thing in my code I wanted cleaning up before I presented it to interested investors.
BTW to those who think I am creating new accounts and/or spoofing IP's in order to post supporting replies, I actually distributed the diatribe against me in here to a list of personal contacts within the industry. It is they who are replying in support - and I haven't egged them on or anything, it's totally on their own.
On a point someone else posted, yeah, it's quite likely I'll never be a contractor (despite having contracted before - yeah that's right, I've had two prior contracts direct with the client - one which saw me flown over to Canada and put in a swanky hotel at the client's expense for three months) after posting my views. But I have always felt that if you see something which is wrong, silence is the best way of letting it continue.
Lastly, I am Niall Douglas. I always have been and always will be. I have never gone under a handle, pretended to be someone else, hidden my identity or obscured who I am. Those who post vitriol while hiding behind anonymity in my opinion are just scared and afraid, needing psychological protection against their words coming back to haunt them.
Cheers,
Niall
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BTW,
It's "KNOB", not nOObs!
Spod - In "You just can't get the staff" mode!
MF, what can I say? Great Minds?
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Right so you waste the time of the worlds premier authorities on c++ with dumbass newbie questions and observations, and then confuse the fact that he is too polite to tell you to bugger off and read the relevent FAQ with some sort of peer exceptance !!.
You have a seriously skewed perception of your place in the world.
Infact Marshall sums it all up with this phrase
"Your experience with very small projects limits your ability to
understand how things work in the real world with large projects."
You would do well to read that phrase to yourself at least once a day.
It may come as a shock to you, but just about every neophyte c++/oo programmer with half a brain asks the much the same questions as you when they are learning but the difference between them and you is that they have the wisdom and humility to realise that they are indeed *learning* rather than assuming that their half-backed thoeries are right and 15 years of accumulated techique by experts is wrong.
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Right so does anyone working on a critical c++ project want give a job to someone who thinks that private member variables are a bad idea
Paul C.
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Oi Bass,
you had to go and spoil it all with a constructive coherent reply didn't you?
Spod - In "not fair" mode!
Cynical Optimist
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Hey, I think I'm starting to like you (niall) now.
The constructive advice is:
Dont talk yourself up all the time, fair enough in an interview or on a brochure, but in an article that is supposed to be informative it just gets peoples backs up, hence the reaction. ( even the comment about the swanky hotel made my hackles rise ).
If you think you're good, try to tone it with a
"Obviously I think I'm one of the best, we all do", or you'll get into trouble on the testosterone fuled environment they have here. They all think they're the best on here so they all throw their teddies out of the pram if you sugest they might not be
And I'd go easy on the Bio, dont go on about girls you've been out with being mad, girls usually avoid blokes who say things like that, cos the common link between all these mad females is...you. And go back, edit it and remove the drug references ( one of these days you might want to go into politics or lose a really good job over it ).
But fair play on the effort, if you do have a good idea ( I cant really tell from the details on your site ), with that enthusiasm you'll go far.
Hey, and UP CORK!!, went to UCC myself.
Is Isaac Bells still up and running?
ned14
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My issue with Niall is the reasoning behind his decision to go contracting, ie. I need 100 grand, can't get them from elsewhere, so I'll go and jump on the bandwagon. Only he is about 3 years late and he didn't seem to know. Not a well thought out business plan so to speak.
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With respect, it was far more of a lifestyle choice than for cash. My calculations showed that with IR35, I could only earn more contracting by staying almost fully employed, something which even the most experienced contractors are having trouble with.
I did know I was three years too late. That's the price of getting a rounded education through travel. Also, what other alternative is there other than to give up? The UK still has the biggest IT industry in the EU, and thus it's the best place to network. Even if Germans were to finance me (as they usually do to British inventors), I'd more likely meet them here than in Germany even though I can speak German.
Everyone gets really "can't do" during recessions and that's pointless. Sure, it's hard to create a new market with riches for everyone right now, but that's human nature. Hence, I need to make lots of contacts for the next few years and when the upturn arrives, get my finance and make my new paradigm a reality - whereupon my critics and denigrators will no doubt increase into their millions, as Bill Gates has found.
Of course, if you have a better suggestion, I am absolutely all ears ...
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I've been contracting six months and I think he's talking a load of shite as well. I've had 1 contract through an agency, the others are short termers and have come from me building my own business relationships which I intend to develop a lot further in the future. I don't want to read about someone who's been coding since childhood and written his own o/s who can't bag a contract. If you're that good, bulld your own business model and run with it, there's piles more money to be made from that.
Thank @#%$ I registered before the article came out, I can hold my head up high...
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Interesting, Niall. Dont take this personally but.....
Firstly, a word about patents. Milan has one on imaginary swimming pools. Unfortunately the exercise of obtaining one was wasted as no one wants one. They want the real thing. Lesson - what makes you so sure that anyone wants your product? Venture Capitalists didn't want to know. Believe me, they can spot a good product a mile off. Take criticism on the chin and listen to people who have the benefit of experience, and remember that you on the other hand don't. Success follows a string of failures, usually in any case - let this be your first.
Secondly, commercial experience is the key as you and others point out. Contracting is not about being the best coder or developing the best piece of software. Nor is it about contacts.
BTW, even though your very new in IT, its best to remember that IT itself has been around for some time. Dont try to re-invent the wheel by inventing some "new" language or software tool. Truth is:
1) someone has already done it
2) as above but years ago, and its now free
3) coding costs are high and with the drive to lower them companies can get it done overseas at a fraction of the cost you would charge
HTH, I know it wont, but it is hactually the thought that counts
Anders
(In clients time ..... how unprofessional is that?)
mooZENDog
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It's "KNOB", not nOObs!
Spod - In "You just can't get the staff" mode!
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n00b = newbie. You sure you've never heard of that before?
If you ever have difficulty with words...
dictionary.reference.com/search?q=n00b
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FFS how can you get bullied on a bulletin board?
Just stand up man and give them as good as you get.
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Yeah, point taken. I could 'give them as good as you get', but I'd probably get chucked off for getting too personal. Nothing I like more than a decent flamewar (I've been itching to take the piss out of Spods different 'modes' - very cool BTW Spod) but I've had to restrain myself
My point is that this is supposedly a industry-specific site, it's supposedly professional, and even if it wasn't I'd expect more than piss-taking. I suspect that I've just ended up feeding the trolls on this one though.
bassuk
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sorry spod.
I will try to be more fivolous in future
Paul C.
SupremeSpod
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So, MooZENdog is Niall after all, what a sad twat!
BTW, just what did you do to that girl to get labelled a stalker?
Spod - In "Ready when you are Niall" mode!
ned14
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It may come as a shock to you, but just about every neophyte c++/oo programmer with half a brain asks the much the same questions as you when they are learning but the difference between them and you is that they have the wisdom and humility to realise that they are indeed *learning* rather than assuming that their half-backed thoeries are right and 15 years of accumulated techique by experts is wrong.
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If you'd read that conversation all the way down, Marshall says some very nice things about me. Plus, I seriously doubt he'd have sat for four hours every night replying if he wasn't getting something out of it ie; he wasn't talking with some "half-baked" newbie.
I should also add we've had further conversations since. And my knowledge of C++ is vastly improved, so much so I could quite easily work with very experienced C++ programmers. How can I say this? Because very experienced C++ programmers say so after looking at my code - while it isn't quite OO (I think OO fundamentally flawed), it's close enough.
Lastly, anyone in IT knows how it evolves quickly. Who does the evolution? You'll tend to find it's younger rather than older programmers who do the step-change evolution, whereas older programmers tend to go for incremental evolution. There are plenty of examples of this in the free software world.
MarillionFan
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Spod, can you imagine whats going to happen when Milan catches up with thread.
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It's a laugh. We are all so happy to judge ourselves as superior by our own criteria. Forget the idea of any intelligent discussion of what is correct or not in the article. Let's just go out of our way to rip the guy to pieces. Happly the majority of us are experienced contractors (with a pretty well rounded view of what this business is really like) so if we can be bothered to post at all in this discussion, we are likely to be picking the right side.
However, looking at the details in the article there are several grains of truth which I think most of us would recognise.
There are an estimated 180,000 new IT graduates each year. Only 24,000 manage to obtain work in IT (pretty constant for the last four years). These young people are sold down the river on a promise that is unlikely ever to be fulfilled. I for one have some sympathy for their plight.
Sure Niall is a pretty unusual character. It would be a shame if we awere all the same though. In any case, if nobody is prepared to put themselves on the line nothing of any worth ever gets written.
We don't have to agree, but a bit more understanding wouldn't go amiss.
ned14
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And I'd go easy on the Bio, dont go on about girls you've been out with being mad, girls usually avoid blokes who say things like that, cos the common link between all these mad females is...you.
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I actually put any new girlfriend onto the site as soon as possible so they know what to expect. None in five years has reacted badly, and in fact I think all of them have posted their own entries
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And go back, edit it and remove the drug references ( one of these days you might want to go into politics or lose a really good job over it ).
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Already have lost plenty from the drug references eg; a scholarship, US work visa. It did gain me a degree though, because they were desperate to get rid of me so they passed me anyway
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But fair play on the effort, if you do have a good idea ( I cant really tell from the details on your site ), with that enthusiasm you'll go far.
Hey, and UP CORK!!, went to UCC myself.
Is Isaac Bells still up and running?
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My father was the head of department of education at UCC for some time, so I know it well. No idea about Isaac Bells, it's been ages since I was last in Ireland and when I'm there all the nightlife places keep changing their names. Booming economy and all I suppose.
Cheers,
Niall
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allocj
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(3/20/03 5:31:03 pm)
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Get real and learn some humility
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not a frequent poster here, but I got to say, Niall you are so far
up yourself it must really hurt!!
SupremeSpod
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MB, comeback, all is forgiven.
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(I think OO fundamentally flawed)
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ROFLMAO!!!!
Spod - In "I make my living from Project Managing C++ development"
mode!
bassuk
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(3/20/03 5:43:16 pm)
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Get real and learn some humility
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Ill see your "(I think OO fundamentally flawed)" and
raise you "take your typical novice with OO ...."
You really couldnt make this up
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Hint for Niall: learn the relationship between subclassing an
subtyping, and why inheritance is primarily driven by the latter not the former
in c++. (sorry spod - broke out into constructive mode again there)
Paul C.
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AliMcLeod
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(3/20/03 5:45:22 pm)
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get my finance and make my new paradigm a reality
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I've only half-followed this series of threads (they got too
boring and too childish too quick, for my liking), but is your OS on top of
Linux, OSX and Windows this "new paradigm", or is it something else?
For your sake, please say its something else.
From reading your article, I'd say you need a reality check, in
acceptance the skils and experience you actually have, in your ability to
deliver what you say you can deliver and in your ability to get financing.
Good luck with what you choose to do.
ZATHRAS999
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(3/20/03 5:48:48 pm)
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